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- Aslpride
- Yucaipa, California, United States
- Support and use ASL! I am from deaf family and graduated at California School for the Deaf, Riverside in 1995. I have deaf parent, one deaf brother and several deaf uncles, aunts and cousins. I have a wonderful wife with three awesome kids. My first two kids are boys. They are tough, but compassion toward our daughter. Graduated with B.S. Degree in Information Systems Security. YLC Alumni '94
30 comments:
*smile*
You nailed it!
*thumb ups*
Well said!
I agree with you.
I have no respect for people who look down or insult our ASL.
It is really hurtful for us to see others say bad things about ASL.
Keep up with your good work!
Deafchip
I see your excellent point on that issues. Of course Education of the Deaf is plenty of flawed that already keep confusing with Deaf Students in many schools, Even Deaf Teachers are ambivalence themselves. English is the most difficult and complicated language in the world because of phonetic that cause confusing in the sound! Deaf Students won't benefit from that phonetics. Phonetic means for example: You buy a car in the present, okay now in the past You bought a car. You notice the difference the words buy and bought. why not say you buy a car, you buyed a car what is wrong with that English won't allow that because of awkwad in sound or pronounce, compare to Spanish language much less depend on phonetic which is easier to learn just add in the end for example: Yo habl-o mean I speak, Tu habl-as mean You speak, you see hablar means to speak just add or change end of the word while English does not that confuse you. That is why most Deaf Students often get confused by phonetic compare to ASL. ASL has no phonetic just a language of its own grammatic, of course most teachers emphasized simcom or total communication that caused and screw up their abilities in learning different language, they did not instead of using one language mean all include sign language. Being bilingualism is not easy for your state. Since you live in California since you mentioned San Diego, I assume you must be a Californian okay, People of California voted against bilingualism in any public school which mean include ASL. They did not realize ASL is not Spanish. They express anti bilingualism. Syndchronizing is very bad method of teaching in communication and never work that way. Many different kind of education of the Deaf always been flawed without accepting ASL as a part of Education of the Deaf, That is a big factor!
It'll be up to the present deaf community to decide whether they should keep the Gallaudet ship afloat or not. So far Gallaudet isnt heading toward the future, theyre going backwards.
This is the beginning of the end to one of the most treasured cabals of the ASL hardliners and I'm just as happy to have jumped ship than beocme one of the school's fall guys.
Richard
Thank you for your time to share information with us. I agreed with you about the coordination. About Synchronized model, I need some more time to think. I am curious about other people’s views on this part. Good job.
I would like to bring up my concerns about Deaf institutions and Mainstream schools within the programs. I notice most of them are hearing teachers with very low expectations. Some of Deaf teachers and Deaf teaching assistants just gave up and became clock-watchers. Many Deaf institution, mainstream schools, and oral schools have a bad system of education due to unmotivated teachers, the philosophy of segregation children with cochlear implant between Deaf students (it will be discussed about this philosophy in my vlog.), too much focused on speech and listening area and forgot about educational subjects, many more... I must add that many AUDISTS work there.
There are a very few schools that have a higher expectation of Deaf students like Fremont, Riverside, Austin, Indiana, Maryland, MSSD at Gally, University of High School and Florida. I also concerned about them because how long it would last to survive? Many of other school’s education decline and even closed them down. I hate to see it happen to these schools I just mentioned above. We must find a way to protect them and at the same time to rebuild our education of Deaf institutions and mainstream schools with a large numbers of Deaf students in our states.
Please be acknowledge that some institutions that I haven’t gone to. Please feel free to add Deaf institutions and mainstream schools with a large of numbers of Deaf that have good education for Deaf students.
I support the idea a large of group of Deaf students going to mainstream school. They also included Deaf teachers in these programs.
I am in favor of institution. It is beautiful school. I love after school activities, social, debates in the classes, field trips, communication, dorm, working on projects together and many more… All we need to fix the system… Hire high quality of headmasters, people at administration, teachers with fluent in ASL… These people who work in administration must have background of understanding how the marketing and economy work. Any one who specialize in English, they are required to fluent in ASL and English also they must have background of linguistic. They will be able to explain. All my life, when I ask English teachers many questions relating to English writing, they said, “Well this is way how English work.” Without explaining why.
I finally had begun to write better when my first English teacher explaining to me the reasons why it has been written this way, and the history behind of English writing. It really helped me so much. Too bad, it started at my late age. But again it’s never too late.
Keep it up with critical thinking… :o)
I would say I agree with you in some sense in term of the subject title.
I know some kids growing up at the mainstream school and went to deaf school. The kids' English are unbelievable. One of those kids I know is going to become an English teacher when he graduates in college next spring.
One of my good friend came from the non-mainstreamed school to deaf school during high school. He is now one of the finest teacher at the public school and he is a well-liked teacher. He uses ASL to teach kids math.
I must admit that I know many kids came to deaf school with no English skills. It is sad to see that happening but the fault is not on ASL! Like you said, it is the system's fault.
Well-done discussion you have!
I agree with this!!
so, i add the info. Depend what parent trained to children. most student at school, their parent leave to children to learn by self. Parent do need to communite to the children. Most important is communite. It is cause to children to improve the language. I am lucky to have parents who skill at asl. They could explain, scold, talk to make my life easier.
First of all, great discussion! We must keep in mind that it is crucial for infants and toddlers to develop a strong language foundation, ASL, that is, first before learning a second language, English.
Sadly, the system has failed to emphasize to families about the benefit for deaf children to acquire ASL during critical language learning period. Instead, they resort to spoken English or simcom that does not allow a deaf child to fully develop a language.
For deaf children who have not developed strong ASL skills, it will be least likely to see the success of briding between two languages. However, it is not like losing hope since when they "catch up" with ASL skills, they will be more likely to succeed better in English when the instructor emphasizes on bridging both languages. To talk about and understand why the rules are that way and to apply and practice in their writing helps.
So often, I have witnessesd deaf students who are considered a mainstreaming failure being dumped to deaf schools that us teachers have to clean up the mess. I am so sick and tired of this crap because it took them so long to admit that it did not work for them in a mainstreaming environment. This group of deaf children suffers more than those who grew up in deaf schools. I have questioned frequently why wasn't there any certain assessment to evaluate a child's level to detect a delay that can be intervened immediately by going to a deaf school. Why wait until they finally realize oh this deaf child is not succeeding in a mainstreaming program so let's boot him or her to a deaf school? By the time this child enrolls in a deaf school around middle school/high school years, it becomes more difficult for this child to catch up.
This is my pet peeve folks!
AnneMarie's metaASL response - discussion about synchronization issue vs natural prosody in ASL and signed languages
ASLpride, I am very impressed with your thoughts about language input, from lay person's perspective. Good that you show how you can analyze language and reflect your "metalanguage" understanding.
Anne Marie hands waving cheers!
Yes it is something we need to focus on and to help deaf children master the English language as well as ASL.
I wonder about the ESOL classes (English as Second Language), they have been having a lot of success in helping children who speak a different language to master English. They are immediately recognized and given awards at the end of school year when they show a lot of improvement on their English and when they reach to a certain level of English, they are discharged from ESOL and then move on to regular English classes. I wonder if we could apply ESOL theories and also insist that teachers use ASL to instruct deaf children.
Your thoughts?
Interesting that you mentioned this, Michele. When I attended community college, Harold Washington College, in Chicago I met few deaf students there. They were taking English as Second Language classes. Though those classes were in hearing classes I wondered how the interpreters worked with them to improve their skills in there. Interesting *nodding*. Yes, it is sad that this country's schools pumped out illiterate deaf in awful amount. I met few classmates from my high school that I graduated from ten years ago and while they signed in PSE, sad irony was that they typed out in broken English when we IM or email each other *sigh*.
Beautifully written... that vlog probably the best discussion regarding with asl for long time... i'm rising senior at south carolina school for the deaf.. ill agree with you that some deaf student's grammar skills are somewhat below average, my oponion is that their parents, mostly with hearing parents who have first deaf child, (no offense to everybody) dont educate them during their early childhood. while they put them in deaf school during 8 to 10 years old, the teachers there try to use that total communication to teach them to write perfect english and teaching asl it dosent work sucessfully.
while i have deaf parents they started signing to me when im an infant, that helped alot, when i enrolled at deaf school as a pre schooler, most teacher were shocked with my asl signing skills and they went ahead teach me english skills and not asl, that helped alot of students who learned to sign during early childhood.. and now i'm senior at scsd, and most people didnt believed that i go to scsdb.. :)
once again beautifully written.. hope to hear more from you!
There are already ideas and practices in bridging ASL and English in classroom. Three of us gave two days workshop on overall important ASL basics, literacy, bridging, and assessment. Here is one example one teacher came up with a great idea, she said, hey I like how you first gloss (word for word) ASL sentence then rewrite to a proper English sentence. She realized she herself can do it on her own with her deaf/hoh students. I said yes and go ahead. Do not wait until someone is finally fluent in ASL. We find ways to do all what we can. There is no limitation when it comes to creativity and motivation.
Yes, I agree with you and the other commenters.
We, the Deaf Community, have no respect for the administrators and educators who are opposed to ASL and force us to use alternative modes of communciations. Those administrators and the system are a source of problems for us. Thank you for bringing up.
Thumbs Up!
Sorry -- I had to delete since some of my comments are missing that I forget to add. So I have to do it over.
Sign Language ****** Written
ASL **** English-So So
SEE **** English -- Good
Total Comm. **** English --Good
PSE **** English --?? Broken down??
ASLpride, see how it works in that system with an English written for ASL, SEE, TC, PSE? Just wondered.
Hello, I want to let you know that I appreciate your comments. This monday, I will add my video to this comments.
Thank you
Jac,
Yes that is what attitudes look like when it comes to choosing signing style. One good thing to know..more teachers of deaf and researchers in deaf language already know that SEE does not help with English writing. I personally see sim com still more of a problem.
Agree with Anne Marie in metalanguage shows very clear definiation of what ASL sentence structures and ASLPRIDE expressed very powerful thought about how synchronization affect the process of learning in itself in that both ASL and English based on his observation indicated very well! I think it is very good issue to bring up on blog or vlog. Redefining the education of the deaf is based on how and why that show failure which mean what is cause and affect on that processing of learning in two languages that does not work very well in simcom or total communication of synchronization. I would like to learn more about that! Thanks Anne Marie!
It's my pleasure. That is why I decided to build my niche in the deaf b/vlogging as an ASL expert and teacher to educate about language and cognitive processes that we all should know. That way we will be able to better explain people who make decisions and practice in deaf/hoh education.
I will do part two today about synchronization.
Here it is the 2nd part.
Part 2 synchronization and natural prosody
Hello Anne Marie,
Yes, I did watch your second part video. I didn't have chance to create a video to respond back to you and other comments. I hope I can do it as soon as I can. Thank you for your patience.
Thanks. By the way I did post about citation of our intelligence using your vlog as an example how to cite your thought about synchronization and coordination. Oscar pointed it out. I just e-mailed everyone at DeafRead to give more attention to this if they think it is necessary.
Anne Marie's metaASL: Citation of our intelligence
Take your time to respond and happy 4th!!
My respond
I find more interested question of sychronization in ASL. I see what You say is ASL/ English in the sychronization does not work that way, what about ASL is influenced by French, So I see our signs are basically from French, for example to seek, signing "C" in ASL, but French, mean cherche, Supposedly, if in this country we all people speak or write or read in French, then What happen to our education of the deaf might be far much better in sychronization of French and ASl, that would be much easier for Deaf Children to follow and write better? I often wonder!
ASLpride: So fascinating. I have never thought of it that way! Your vlog even sparked a post at my blog. I hadn't blogged since I opened my blog last year - until this week.
http://wisefoolteacher.blogspot.com/2007/07/aslpride-on-synchronizing-signing-with.html
I kinda went off on a tangent of self-rumination. Who knows, someone might relate to my experiences? If you have any thoughts or comments, please feel free to share them!
Anne-Marie: thank you so much for your "lessons." I can't wait until I learn the ins and outs of ASL when, and if, I am accepted to the graduate program in Deaf ED at McDaniel College.
Absolutely! The two languages need to be kept separate, I agree! I have seen Deaf Education Teachers using sim com and then scratching their heads as to why their students cannot write "appropriately." THAT, like you said, is not the issue. The issue is that these "sim com teachers" cannot TEACH appropriately. Certainly, they do have students who do achieve, despite the "sim com classroom" they attend every day. Those are the students who somehow innately know to keep the two languages separate. I have met two such students. They're superstars. Just imagine, however, if administration was aware enough to hire teachers who WILL keep the two languages separate (obviously, then, these teachers must be fluent in both languages). What a difference we would see. Truly, deaf students are ESL students. Thank you for the Vlog, you've left me thinking about how to make administrators (and "sim com style teachers") aware of the "true bizz" problem.
I absolutely agreed with you!
I had seen Deaf Education Teachers using sim com and then why their students CANNOT do THAT well in English. These "sim com teachers" cannot TEACH well for those students!
Good topic from you vlog! Hope will see your next vlog! Darn summer is ALMOST OVER before the school starts! Shawn
Well said! I have two deaf children. I explained that they have two different languages, one is ASL signing and the other is Written English. They grew up and still use both and I could not be of more proud of them. Their writing skills are better than mine.
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